Debito Arudou to emigrate to Canada


There, I said it. No chickening out with a question mark at the end as I have come to the conclusion that the only explanation for recent events is an impending move to Canada to finish off his PhD and to settle down thereafter. (There is another conclusion that he’s just dropping misleading hints and daring someone to post, but I do believe I have found the smoking gun, although out of privacy considerations I will not reveal it, and I will delete any speculation that might infringe said privacy.)

First, there is the simple evidence that in the last year he has made extended trips to Canada twice, in winter and summer, and indeed dropped a hint about his PhD recently:

Have just finished giving a presentation and partaking in a PhD workshop at the University of British Columbia

He also a few years back moaned about his current employer, so it would fit that the University of British Columbia would take him in, although he doesn’t say if he was participating as a student or a teacher, though.

However, the above in itself could be explained away by a year-long sabbatical, for example, so why do I conclude that he is to become an ex-pat all over again?

Given that he’s not backward at coming forward, I am sure he would have been more forthcoming if it were just an academic exchange, or at least would have let some speculative comments through on his blog. Therefore, I have to conclude that there is someone else involved, the person he went to Disney Sea with:

- Actually, all clerks and outdoor assistants spoke to us from the very start in clear, natural-rate Japanese without the Tweaks and Simplifications for White People.

and who he celebrated Canadian Thanksgiving (why else would that have been posted?) with. Not to mention his dodging of a police stop, suggesting he traveled back with someone he didn’t want to cause a fuss with.

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  1. While I doubt that the average Japanese person recognizes the name “Arudou Debito” instantly, I’d bet that a good percentage know of his existence and know about his onsen case. Once when I was about to go meet him at a university talk and was telling Japanese friends who I was meeting, nobody recognized the name, but when I mentioned that a few years back he had sued an onsen that didn’t allow foreign-looking people to enter, they started nodding. The onsen case is reasonably well-known even if the name of its main plaintiff escapes people.

  2. Ouch! Nice…..very nice.

  3. So Mark, as one of David’s “friends” and someone who presumably is in the know (and should have at least gotten an invite to Dave’s going away party).

    Could you confirm or deny whether David is still employed by Hokkaido Information University and living in Japan?

  4. Sorry, Jerry; as another commenter here put it (Ken, IIRC), “the ball is in Debito’s court” regarding telling people where he is and what he’s doing. I imagine he’ll reveal it when he’s ready.

  5. Good reply Mark, and yes, I did say that. I have sufficient information from varied sources to be confident in saying where he is, but I’m not going to make a fuss about his reticence for now. If he starts trying to pass himself off as being somewhere he isn’t (he did that regarding the JBC on the census) then I will get vocal, but for now I’m just enjoying the Wikipedia edit wars! :lol:

  6. Ditto Ken, just wanted to get a confirmation from someone who should know. :lol: :lol: :lol:

  7. The CBC are running a “First Nations Crises” Story on T.V. and online. The photograph looks like something out of the third word or a Gaijin house. It’s Operation shame Canada, Yes! There’s nothing wrong embarrassing your country into changing it for the better.

  8. “It’s Operation shame Canada, Yes! There’s nothing wrong embarrassing your country into changing it for the better.”

    It was unfortunate that Debito was not working to change Japan for the better.

    Let’s hope that he will use “name and shame Canada ” tactics and report on marginalized people in Canada in the right way.

  9. At least he’d be posting in the correct language (French Canadians obviously excluded).

  10. Operation shame Canada continues. Canada wants to pull out of the Kyoto protocol. Front page of the Huffingtonpost.
    headline “THE UGLY CANADIAN” ‘Absolutely No Integrity’
    ‘Canada says Kyoto Protocol Biggest Blunder’ May withdraw.

  11. David will end up where he began life.

    He’s not staying in Canada, although he has had a connection to Calgary.

    He’d done with Japan, though, as far as working and living here go.

  12. Level6: care to elaborate on how you obtained this information?

    If what you say is true, that means he’s returning to the U.S. While that is indeed possible, he won’t be doing it as an American citizen. He’ll be doing it under a visa as an alien immigrant.

    Source: I’m currently in step #2 of 3 of the renunciation process myself, which means I’ve had my first visit with a consular officer at the U.S. Embassy. One thing that was made very clear: once you renounce U.S., it’s final. There’s no annulment. There’s no resumption, and there’s no getting another American citizenship via naturalization. *

    * I have claimed this in the past, based on what I’ve been told and read on the internet and from statements from other people who should know better (Debito Arudou and Ken Smith). I was wrong.

    I’ve now finally had a chance to ask this question directly to the U.S. officer trained in renunciation, who looked it up to double check. There is no precedent in U.S. history where somebody formally renounced to a consular officer with signed paperwork at a U.S. embassy and got back their citizenship at a later date.

    And just in case you think you can pull a fast one and apply for a U.S. passport with a U.S. birth certificate that says Born In The USA and claim jus soli therefore American, the State Department reports the names of those who renounce to both the IRS and the passport issue blacklist, to keep them from accidentally reissuing a U.S. Passport based on a valid birth certificate.

    (You never lose your Social Security Number or account by the way. That stays with you regardless of whether you’re U.S. or alien. Whether you want it or not)

    Renunciation of U.S. citizenship is final and irrevocable. You lose citizenship for the rest of your lifetime.

  13. Four comments:

    * what State says, and what State actually does, are two completely different things. Source: me, personal experience.

    * Lee Harvey Oswald renounced citizenship in front of a consular official, signed paperwork attesting to the same, and (according to an old gunny that was apparently there) threw his passport at the bewildered official. He regained his US citizenship. Conspiracy theories routed to /dev/null.

    * For that matter, ask Austin. If you can find him. If you do, please do let Vic and (the Tsukuba) Steve know that he’s doing okay.

    * Dave is going to claim renunciantion-under-duress to regain his USAness. He’ll probably get away with it. So it goes.

  14. Little in that comment has anything that I can comment on, because it’s all insider baseball with no published paperwork proof that I’m aware of. *

    Show me a Certificate of Loss of Nationality with a date and name, followed by a U.S. passport with the same name and a date of issue posted with a date later than the Certificate of Loss, then we can continue this discussion. Regarding your first statement, can you meet this criteria in this paragraph? Do you know anybody else that can?

    * I have no idea who Austin or Vic are btw.

    Regarding Oswald, it’s been documented that his so called renunciation was never formalized or approved. Yelling at a consular officer and/or Throwing your passport at an Officer is as effective as burning your passport. Nor is writing a letter enough:

    If you read Oswald’s hand-written letter in the link above, you will see that Oswald himself, in his own handwriting, states that his attempt to renounce was refused.

    The State department then gave him a few stalling letters, asking for proof that he indeed had USSR citizenship, but then relented after internal debate, saying that if he really wanted to and appeared AGAIN formally at the embassy, they would. Oswald never followed through, as acknowledged by this official communication:

    It’s true that he gave up his passport and then got it back. But he never successfully renounced, by his and the State departments own words, because he did not follow formal procedure.

    Writing a letter is one thing or verbally declaring it to either a Japanese or U.S. official is one thing. Having the U.S. State Department approve it with a certificate is another. Losing your passport is not the same as losing citizenship, as you know.

  15. Regarding your fourth point: it’s an interesting strategy, and nobody will know if he’s successful until he’s tried. We all have our bets placed, I guess.

    The most interesting thing about this speculation is the extraordinary amount of data we have to work with: Debito has scanned/published his Renunciation Application, scanned/published his Certificate of Loss, and wrote his version of the story, followed by publishing the Consular officer’s email response, on the matter. **

    Most historians would only be so lucky, as this sort of documentation is usually very personal and private.

    Anyway, the reason there are three steps/interviews to the U.S. Renunciation Process is to determine if you’re under duress or coerced. So basically, he’s going to argue that despite that safeguard, the consular officers that processed him were incompetent and judged him incorrectly.

    Furthermore, he’s going to have to go against his own written record, where he claims that the consular officer, based on his application and written assessmnet (which he published on his site), thought he was renouncing not under his own free will and refusing to accept, and then Debito argued with the consular officer to change his mind!

    Good luck, Debito (if your goal is to reclaim U.S. citizenship).
    You’re going to need it.

    ** I don’t know if he ever filed his 8854, which is the second (mandatory) part of U.S. renunciation: renouncing to the IRS. Let’s hope that that doesn’t tangle him up. If not, his attempt to do reintegrate into the U.S. could come with a very hefty back/delinquent tax fine.

  16. for completeness, here’s another letter from the U.S.embassy written before oswald writes asking for his u.s. passport back, stating that they do not believe that oswald expatriated himself:

  17. DAMMIT! So Steve gets me thinking about my previous research, followed by my recent very poor encounters with the U.S. Embassy, followed by what-they-say-is-different, so I do some more late night reading.

    Specifically, I’m reading the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual, 7 FAM 1211 section i (because I’m bored and bothered at 3am), which specifically states, I quote:

    “Individuals who lose citizenship would need to reacquire it through naturalization.”

    So I owe Steve an apology (though I do still believe that his path to U.S. citizenship is going to be the same path that aliens take… not via annulment or revocation of his CLN)… and I’m going to have a very interesting conversation with the Consular Officer in meeting #2 this month, who I now know told me something that is incorrect.

    That is, if I can get in the door of the U.S. Embassy. You see, the U.S. Embassy is, even for Americans, by appointment only, unless you have an Emergency. The Appointment system is by internet web form only. The web form does not have a category for “renunciation.” So what you have to do is check “Passport-Other” for your service. Then you get to the embassy, explain what you really want to do, then they say I’m sorry, only a specialized officer can do that, and they only are available, at best, once a week. So you give them your phone number, and they’ll call you, so they claim. But they don’t. You wait. A week. Another week. So you call your internal contact at the embassy (everybody has an internal contact at the U.S. Embassy, right?) complaining that the consulate officer stood you up and could you please poke them (I was told after an apology that the officer is question is “forgetful”)? So after the poke they call… and tell you that they’re very busy and can only handle you during three possible dates. Next month. And the punch line is they tell you that if you can’t get past the guards at the gate because you don’t have a web appointment, try to convince them to call 03-XXXX-YYYY and talk to ZZZZZ to let you in. And this is for a 10 minute talk, at which time they’ll send you away to “think” about it then please repeat the process if you really intend to go through with it.

    No, I’m not kidding.

    Sorry Steve. You were right re the naturalization after renunciation and I was wrong.

    (but you were wrong about Oswald. And I was once right before I became wrong. :headdesk: )

    Good night!

  18. Eido – It would seem that David (or someone else) did file the form with the IRS. See here:

  19. *chuckle*

    No harm, no foul. There’s enough uncertainty regarding LHO’s activities during that period, and more than enough outright manufacture of “documentary evidence”, to make both of us right from “certain points of view”.

    Thanks for having the integrity to admit that you were “misled” by your State guy. In my experience (which I really cannot go into beyond “I’ve dealt with those guys on multiple occasions over the past twenty years and they’re required by policy to lie to us about every single thing”) … well, the bit in parenthesis says it all.

    (I thought you’d encountered Austin during your time at PHT and/or doing TLUG, at least. He was the kid behind Green Frog Linux)

  20. Jerry: thanks for that, but that doesn’t indicate filing of the 8854. It indicates the issuing of the CLN.

    I know that doesn’t make sense, but it’s a (lack of) privacy workaround, so the “name and shame” is done by the IRS, not the State Department. Even though the IRS gets that data directly from the State Department.

  21. Okay, now that you mention GFL, I do know that I’ve met him at least once. But I can safely say it’s been approximately 15 years since I’ve seen or heard of him, so no, I have no idea where he is or what he is doing.

    I know him so vaguely that I wouldn’t recall his face or his name if I saw him.

  22. (Just Googled myself cross referenced with GFL and the associated aliases)

    Make that a little over eleven years. Not fifteen.

  23. There is always the Savoie workaround… simply lie about it all.

    Granted, as Eido points out, Debito has already posted most of that material.

  24. Indeed. It wouldn’t be difficult for him to slip over the US-Canadian border and resume his old life as if the past twenty years were just a bad dream.

    All he would need to prove citizenship is a birth certificate. Which he has. He’d be able to renew his driver’s license with that certificate and any photo ID (an old US passport would work).

    He has a SSN, and if he didn’t follow through with the IRS forms then he’d be good to go for employment. If he did file the IRS form, then he’d probably still be okay so long as he paid his taxes.
    Worst case, he could make up a cock-and-bull story for the SSA as to why he didn’t yet have a SSN and thereby acquire a new one.

    Illegal and unethical, sure, but completely possible. So long as he didn’t draw attention to himself, he could very easily live the rest of his life in the US.

  25. So long as he didn’t draw attention to himself …

    Somehow, I can’t see that being remotely within the realms of possibility.

  26. Perhaps he has learned a lesson from the circumstances that forced him to renouce US citizenship.

    He very loudly proclaimed that he found a legal loophole that would allow him to retain his US citizenship after naturalization. It is likely that he was referring to the ability of naturalizees-of-US-origin to submit the “Nationality Selection Form” to the ward office and not be bothered with any further effort to expatriate.

    If his account is to be believed, his renunciation was prompted by a State official threatening to disclose his noncompliance with the nationality law to the relevant Japanese authority.

    The lesson that he should have learned here is: if you’re doing something that is extra-legal, do not fscking announce it. Do not be surprised if your announcement of extra-legal activities results in an adverse result. And, for the love of Allah, do not under any circumstances document your extra-legal activities in a manner that will reflect poorly upon you if you were to attempt to redact history in the future.

    This, by the way, is the core of my thesis that Dave will claim renunciation-under-duress. A poorly-trained State official threatened to disclose his US citizenship, in stark opposition to regulation triple-zee-alpha (I’m not sufficiently bored to track down chapter and verse here).

    Popping back up the stack a bit … if he’s learned anything from his escapades with nationality issues, and if he intends to quietly reinsert himself into the US, he’ll lay low. It would be easy. Hardly anyone in the US would know him, by reputation, in any of the names for which he has paperwork.

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